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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.libertypages.com/cgw/2008/07/07/the-da-of-dasein/comment-page-1/#comment-909</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the thing was in the center of the four-fold and not being.</description>
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		<title>By: Maxim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it true that &quot;Dasein&quot; was Heidegger&#039;s name for the ironist, as Rorty claims?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it true that &#8220;Dasein&#8221; was Heidegger&#8217;s name for the ironist, as Rorty claims?</p>
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		<title>By: enowning</title>
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		<dc:creator>enowning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, phenomenology is front-and-center in the earlier texts, and rarely mentioned in the later, but that doesn&#039;t preclude readers from using it for their own analysis. In his early years, on his way up the university heirarchy, the master phenomenologist, Husserl, controlled tenure decisions, so it makes sense he&#039;d emphasize it in his texts.

The fourfold deals with the phenomena present for particular dasein, a Bavarian peasant, say. An Eskimo&#039;s would have a different manifold; maybe a threefold, or ice instead of earth. I don&#039;t find the fourfold that interesting, but the other week I read/saw/heard someone use a diagram of the fourfold--the intersection of the lines between man and gods, and earth and sky--to cross out &quot;being&quot; in the center. I thought it was a neat trick, but I&#039;m easily amused like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, phenomenology is front-and-center in the earlier texts, and rarely mentioned in the later, but that doesn&#8217;t preclude readers from using it for their own analysis. In his early years, on his way up the university heirarchy, the master phenomenologist, Husserl, controlled tenure decisions, so it makes sense he&#8217;d emphasize it in his texts.</p>
<p>The fourfold deals with the phenomena present for particular dasein, a Bavarian peasant, say. An Eskimo&#8217;s would have a different manifold; maybe a threefold, or ice instead of earth. I don&#8217;t find the fourfold that interesting, but the other week I read/saw/heard someone use a diagram of the fourfold&#8211;the intersection of the lines between man and gods, and earth and sky&#8211;to cross out &#8220;being&#8221; in the center. I thought it was a neat trick, but I&#8217;m easily amused like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, but that&#039;s sort of my point.  The phenomenology seems to work better in the early stuff.  There is latter stuff where it works.  (Say On the Origin of the Work of Art or What is a Thing)  But then there are some where it&#039;s more difficult (at least for me).  The stuff where he waxes on about the Fourfold in particular.  (Which I try to think through via a phenomenological inquiry into the four kinds of causality in Aristotle - but he does it in an odd way unlike his readings of philosophers in the earlier periods)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, but that&#8217;s sort of my point.  The phenomenology seems to work better in the early stuff.  There is latter stuff where it works.  (Say On the Origin of the Work of Art or What is a Thing)  But then there are some where it&#8217;s more difficult (at least for me).  The stuff where he waxes on about the Fourfold in particular.  (Which I try to think through via a phenomenological inquiry into the four kinds of causality in Aristotle &#8211; but he does it in an odd way unlike his readings of philosophers in the earlier periods)</p>
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		<title>By: enowning</title>
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		<dc:creator>enowning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...why should I assume this is right?&quot;

The phenomenology, Clark. Use the phenomenology.

Heidegger&#039;s tries many different ways to articulate beyng enowns dasein. You can judge how successful any is by interrogating the phenomenon described. I end up discarding or setting aside many passages, but some have that ability (as with bits of &lt;i&gt;B&amp;T&lt;/i&gt;) of cutting through the accumulated metaphysical chaff and revealing a simple ontological kernel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;why should I assume this is right?&#8221;</p>
<p>The phenomenology, Clark. Use the phenomenology.</p>
<p>Heidegger&#8217;s tries many different ways to articulate beyng enowns dasein. You can judge how successful any is by interrogating the phenomenon described. I end up discarding or setting aside many passages, but some have that ability (as with bits of <i>B&amp;T</i>) of cutting through the accumulated metaphysical chaff and revealing a simple ontological kernel.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.libertypages.com/cgw/2008/07/07/the-da-of-dasein/comment-page-1/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll check out Polt and I notice Charles Scott has a book on &lt;i&gt;Contributions&lt;/i&gt; as well.  I&#039;ve put it on my Amazon list for the next time I get a coupon.  Unfortunately I don&#039;t know when I&#039;ll get to it as I have a backlog of books right now.  I definitely want to finish getting back into Davidson first.  

The one thing I worry about is that &lt;i&gt;Contributions&lt;/i&gt; appears to be more aphorisms and the like.  One thing I like about the pre-war Heidegger is how he provides arguments or at least quasi-arguments via a trace of a phenomenological path.  That is much rarer with the latter Heidegger.  This is roughly from that earlier period but appears to partake more of that latter style.

With that latter style, as much as I might agree with what Heidegger sees I&#039;m always left asking, &quot;but why should I assume this is right?&quot;  So it&#039;s very hard not to be skeptical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll check out Polt and I notice Charles Scott has a book on <i>Contributions</i> as well.  I&#8217;ve put it on my Amazon list for the next time I get a coupon.  Unfortunately I don&#8217;t know when I&#8217;ll get to it as I have a backlog of books right now.  I definitely want to finish getting back into Davidson first.  </p>
<p>The one thing I worry about is that <i>Contributions</i> appears to be more aphorisms and the like.  One thing I like about the pre-war Heidegger is how he provides arguments or at least quasi-arguments via a trace of a phenomenological path.  That is much rarer with the latter Heidegger.  This is roughly from that earlier period but appears to partake more of that latter style.</p>
<p>With that latter style, as much as I might agree with what Heidegger sees I&#8217;m always left asking, &#8220;but why should I assume this is right?&#8221;  So it&#8217;s very hard not to be skeptical.</p>
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		<title>By: Enowning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enowning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Beyng enowns Dasein (&lt;i&gt;Das Seyn er-eignet das Da-sein&lt;/i&gt;--be-ing en-owns Da-sein, in &lt;i&gt;Contributions&lt;/i&gt;, S 271) is hinted at in the latter essays, but it is in his manuscripts from the late 30s--&lt;i&gt;Contributions&lt;/i&gt; (1999) and &lt;i&gt;Mindfulness&lt;/i&gt; (2006) have been translated--that Heidegger elaborates the new ontology, including why it&#039;s not a reversal of the OD. That&#039;s the best source, but those texts is somewhat daunting, like diving in &lt;i&gt;B&amp;T&lt;/i&gt; unprepared. The secondary literature is developing. Polt&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Emergency of Being&lt;/i&gt; is full of useful explanations and a good survey, but there&#039;s nothing like the multitude of guides to &lt;i&gt;B&amp;T&lt;/i&gt; for neophytes. Also, the Dreyfus lectures on the later Heidegger tease out the pertinent themes from the texts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Beyng enowns Dasein (<i>Das Seyn er-eignet das Da-sein</i>&#8211;be-ing en-owns Da-sein, in <i>Contributions</i>, S 271) is hinted at in the latter essays, but it is in his manuscripts from the late 30s&#8211;<i>Contributions</i> (1999) and <i>Mindfulness</i> (2006) have been translated&#8211;that Heidegger elaborates the new ontology, including why it&#8217;s not a reversal of the OD. That&#8217;s the best source, but those texts is somewhat daunting, like diving in <i>B&amp;T</i> unprepared. The secondary literature is developing. Polt&#8217;s <i>Emergency of Being</i> is full of useful explanations and a good survey, but there&#8217;s nothing like the multitude of guides to <i>B&amp;T</i> for neophytes. Also, the Dreyfus lectures on the later Heidegger tease out the pertinent themes from the texts.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing I&#039;d add is it&#039;s interesting to ask about the kind of openness involved with the authentic mode of being and then the kind of opened openness that characterizes Dasein.  I&#039;d tried a while back talking about the former while I think a few took me as talking of the latter.  I&#039;ll see if I can&#039;t whip out a post on this after I get some of the free will posts completed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing I&#8217;d add is it&#8217;s interesting to ask about the kind of openness involved with the authentic mode of being and then the kind of opened openness that characterizes Dasein.  I&#8217;d tried a while back talking about the former while I think a few took me as talking of the latter.  I&#8217;ll see if I can&#8217;t whip out a post on this after I get some of the free will posts completed.</p>
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