Heidegger vs. Levinas

Posted on July 12, 2008
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I’ve read a reasonable amount of Levinas but am anything but a Levinasian. (And the Levinasians love to let me know that) I do think that how I approach philosophy (and Heidegger) is quite influenced by Levinas though. Having said all that it always seemed to me that Levinas’ criticisms of Heidegger were a bit off. It’s not that I disagree that much with Levinas’ basic stance. It just always seemed to me that much of his ethical critique of Heidegger where one is caught up in responsibility to the Other can be found in Heidegger. That is to say Heidegger sees philosophy coming out of privileging the solitary seems wrong. I was reading yesterday a paper about The Basic Problems of Phenomenology where Heidegger is considering Kant’s interpretation of respect. Heidegger reads Kant here as if Kant were doing phenomenology. Consider the following two quotes in terms of Levinas’ criticisms of Heidegger.

In having a feeling for something there is always present at the same time a self-feeling, and in this self-feeling a mode of becoming revealed to oneself. The manner in which I become manifest to myself in feeling is determined in part by that for which I have a feeling in this feeling. Thus is appears that feeling is not a simple reflection upon oneself but rather a feeling of self in having a feeling for something. (BP 132; GP 187)

That is our feelings for something (or someone) determine who or what our self is. The Other is not constituted by the self, as Levinas haves it, but the inverse. Contrary to Levinas’ critique of the authenticity/inauthenticity divide as solitary since it rejects das Man (roughly the way of engaging with things given to us by the everydayness of others) authenticity is found in and out of my relation with others.

This feeling of respect is the true mode in which man’s existence becomes manifest, not in the sense of pure ascertainment or taking cognizance of, but in the sense that in respect I myself am - I am acting. (BP 137; GP 194)

But not any action will do. What counts is responsible action.

Respect reveals the dignity before which and for which the self knows itself to be responsible. Only in responsibility does the self first reveal itself - the self not in a general sense as knowledge of an ego in general but as in each case mine… (BP 137; GP 194)

Now Levinas does criticize Heidegger’s being along side of others and one might say that these comments don’t go far enough. I’ll take up more particularly Levinas’ critique later. I think though that Heidegger at this time sees our authentic mode of being as being caught up in a purpose and choice. That choice arises out of a responsibility we encounter in the face of the other. That is in the other’s face we see ourselves. For Heidegger as he reads Kant in the face of the other responsibility brings me to a choice where we decide our own ends.

As an aside I’d note that this ends up being in Plato as well. In the Alciabiades for instance in dialog with others we see ourselves as if through a mirror. This is all caught up in the notion of eros in Plato as a kind of higher drive rather than normal sexuality.

(Note the above thoughts were inspired by “Heidegger’s Thought” by Peg Birmingham although I’ve taken it in a very different direction)

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13 Responses to “Heidegger vs. Levinas”
1 john c. halasz on July 13th, 2008 8:49 pm

I’d be interested to know what word is being translated by “feeling”. Would that be “Stimmung”, “attunement”?

I think if you want to get a sense of where Levinas departs from Heidegger, (though, to be sure, his thinking is heavily dependent on and enmeshed with Heidegger, and it took him a long while to work through to his own perspective), Heidegger’s account of Mitsein as an existential determination of Dasein is a place to start. To be sure, there are authentic and inauthentic modes of Mitsein, (”circumspection” IIRC, as the sort of regard paid to others), between taking the others practical involvements and ends as simply a means in one’s own, and taking account of the other as a whole being, in terms of understanding or granting his own project. But aside from how the world of Mitsein is so readily portrayed in terms of the inauthenticity of “das Man”, from which individual Dasein must separate itself in the Angst of Sein-zum-Tod and the authentic resoluteness by which it repeats/retrieves its tradition, I think a not-so-latent functionalism can be detected in the account of Mitsein, since I encounter the other in the midst of my own practical involvements in terms of common functional standards or norms pertaining to its involvements. That then would come to play a part in the sudden, shocking transformation, by which Dasein is converted from the isolated particular existence in its authentic resolution to a category of collective destiny, (since, after all, a collectivity can not have a Sein-zum-Tod, for all the Nazis played up a cult of death). At least, that is, I think, where to begin to examine and excavate the fascist complicities in Heidegger’s thinking that Levinas takes aim at.

At any rate, Heidegger transforms intentionality into a practical project within the world, but it is still an intentionality. Angst, however, has no intentional object, hence its “object” is the situated existence of Dasein itself in its possible nothingness, and hence is referred back to the forsake-of-which of Dasein itself. In other words, under the assumption of intentionality, affectivity must always be self-referential. I might “feel” another, but that feeling reveals my “feeling” of myself; the other remains a projection of or adjunct to my project, which is always ownmost and innermost, is always just my counterpart.

For Levinas, the other is precisely that which can not be incorporated or subsumed in my identifications, nor made into an object of my knowledge, nor practical intentionality. The affectivity, in and by which I am “touched” by the other, is a modal reversal of intentionality and a disruption of my project. The intentional “object” of affectivity is not my self-referential situatedness, but rather the non-intentional relation to the other. I am invoked, called out of myself, by the “manifestation” of the “face” of the other, which does not reflect me back to myself, enabling me to “see” myself in the other, nor can I reach or recognize the other. The “face” of the other is precisely denuded, withdrawing behind its “manifestation”, leaving me to its “obsession”. The other is not “in” being, but calls from “beyond being” for transformations “otherwise than being”.

Levinas sees Heidegger as still bound to an ontological project, albeit one in which the sense of “ontology” is much transformed, which is solely concerned with establishing the truth “in” being, or the “truth of Being”. Heidegger would regard ethics as derivative of or ancillary to the manifestation and dispensation of Being. By contrast, Levinas wants to fore-ground the ethical as an entirely different normative and rational dimension from that of truth and knowledge, which is not dependent on the dispensations of being. He lays claim to the “priority” of an ethics, which would subtend any understanding of Being or beings, without which the manifestations, dispensations, or destinings of Being would be consigned to an unending, nameless horror.

Levinas just doesn’t get Heidegger. At all. He reacts so violently against his own (mis)reading of Heidegger that he becomes a parody. As the man said, be careful when battling monsters…

In Existence and Existents, Levinas gives his seminal critique of Heidegger’s notion of being. He believes, in his analysis of the “anonymity of being,” that he is performing a proper ontological analysis which leads to the understanding of being. He focuses (in a fundamentally flawed way) on the ontological difference: that Being is not a being. He imagines the disappearance of all beings, and asks what remains. He says that it is “the fact that one is, that there is…” I’m going to be frank, this is just stupid. The disappearance of beings as a whole would imply the disappearance of Dasein (or Levinas’ “on”) and therefore also of all facticity (the fact that there is…). Because he misunderstands the ontological difference (and this misunderstanding, since Levinas, has become endemic in French philosophy) he fails to grasp Heidegger’s argument. Being is the Being of beings. Being is not to be understood as the absence of beings, an anonymous plain of factitious knowledge. Being is to be *questioned*, and a great deal of thinking must occur before this even becomes possible.

He takes a further wrong turn when he argues that ethics is first philosophy. In a certain sense, I can agree with this claim: it is more important to do good than to know truth. But what is the nature of this priority? For Levinas (and Derrida has already pointed this out) the priority of ethics over truth is a *classically ontological priority*. What does Levinas understand as the priority of ethics over truth? He understands affirmation of truth (the ethical commitment to the other not to speak deceptively) as the *condition for the possibility* of truth. Now it is silly to argue that ethics is ontologically prior to ontology (because then ethics simply becomes ontology by another name). Levinas should have argued for the ethical priority of ethics.

If one wants to find Heidegger at his most Levinasian, the only text to which one can turn is the infamous rectorship address. Heidegger’s hope that a Fuhrer could initiate a decision that would rescue western spirit from technological nihilism. What is the structure of a decision? De-caedere means to cut off. A decision introduces a caesura within a common field of the one. In Heidegger’s Nazi-era writings, he looks to decision as an authentic act which can be taken up by western humans in order to leave behind the epoch of technology. After he realized the horror and failure of the Nazi project, Heidegger reversed his position. Human decisions do not create historical epochs, rather the epoch itself is the decision within the history of Being. Dasein is left to ponder what has already decided upon him/her. This is to say *Levinas’ Other operates in precisely the same fashion as Heidegger’s Fuhrer*, except that the Other is eternal: always to be respected, obeyed, welcomed, etc. The Other is an eternal Fuhrer.

Scratch a Levinasian, find a fascist. In short, f**k the Other.

I confess that I have a hard time seeing Levinasian ethics as ethics in the sense it’s used in other contexts - especially analytic ethics. It’s more what is primordial to ethics and thus is tied to the call in Heidegger. I think some (but not all) aspects of this can be found in the analysis of resolutenes. As you say when Levinas does what he does ethics becomes ontology.

Having said all that though given Heidegger’s connection to the Nazis I can understand why Levinas can’t read Heidegger reliably. I’m not sure this entails that Levinas’ phenomenological insight is wrong. Just that I think it was a path already tread by Heidegger but described in a different way.

The issue of the infamous rectorship address is well raised. I’ve noticed parallels there as well. I think some of the contemporary texts to it also offer parallels. And, as you suggest, there is always that question of the demands of the Other. That is why should we see the demand as good? There are lots of issues there that I think end up surfacing in Levinas’ other more practically ethical texts.

However as I said, whenever I start talking Levinas someone will come in and tell me how wrong I am. The one question I have is the relation of the Ethical Other to beings entirely. (Recognizing being as descussed in Heidegger has a depth to them that parallels the face/Other relation in Levinas) That is should one be led to a consideration of the grass I walk on as Other? Moving from the demand of the other to figuring out what to do seems impossible. And that very impossibility seems to allow an opening to fascism as you said.

Derrida I think attempted to find a way out of that. And his Other ends up being a somewhat transformed Other. That is while Derrida is Levinasian he isn’t Levinas by any means. (He has too positive a connection to Heidegger and Husserl) But even here Derrida is ultimately, I think, unable to bring about a decided upon politics or ethics in his thought. Despite really trying.

John, I agree with much of what you say, although I do think that Heidegger’s authentic encounter with others simply isn’t all about themselves. There’s a dual movement there of which Levinas only notices a single part.

5 john c. halasz on July 15th, 2008 11:27 pm

I agree that Heidegger has an account of authentic comportment toward others, that has its merits, and is nothing to be sneezed at. I’m not sure that Levinas just misses that, but rather he would come to “oppose” his own revisionary account of “sincerity” to “authenticity”, (and the issue might be to what extent we can grasp and “see” the wholeness of our own selves/projects, let alone those of others). But what Levinas is particularly focusing upon with respect to the Rectoral Address, is the subsumption of both self and other under a finite totality, that of a particular (national) community, and the authoritarian failure to acknowledge the dissensus that might be, at least partially, constitutive of such communities.

I’ve refrained from addressing Allan’s rather foul-tempered comment, as if any difference or departure from the holy writ of the maestro Heidegger were a sure sign of stupidity and malignancy, inspite of the fact that the maestro recognizes the possibility of any number of projects within the field of philosophical thinking before nominating as die Hauptfrage the questioning of Being, and is if any differences other than The Difference were of no account, and as if the “priority” of that question could not itself be questioned. But I’ll just point out that “Existence and Existents” was partly composed before, partly during and partly just after a certain evenement, during which Levinas was consigned to and saved by a labor “brigade”, thanks to his lucky star. Just what Levinas might or could have know of Heidegger’s work or deliverances after the Rectoral Address is not clear, since much of it was not published till the 1950’s. By the time of T&I, the French reception of the later Heidegger had been underway,- (and, though not well-known, Levinas, as an “expert” on Husserl and Heidegger, would have be a “player” in that reception),- and from there some “mature” comparisons can be made. It seems to me “he imagines the disappearance of all beings” is a fairly accurate account of the Angst of Dasein in Sein-zum-Tod, before which the “world” falls completely away in the nothingness of Being, and Levinas’ playing off the “il y a” to the “es gibt”, the menacing, anxious rustling of chaotic existents, “beyond” any giving of any meaningful order of beings by Being, is a fairly prescient response to the implications of the “giving” of Being. Further, Levinas begins to offer a revisionary account of the “hypostasis” of particular existence into the interiority of an exposed “subject”. I understand all this to be taking place within a basic acceptance of the account of Dasein as Being-in-the-World, rather than any reversion to a naive subjectivism, but also as the beginnings of a revisionary phenomenological counter-position within the terms set by Heidegger. I’ll cite just one issue. Heidegger objects to the referential unassignibility of the transcendental subjectivity of Husserl, but then he stuffs that transcendental subjectivity back into the empirical subject, in the claim that Dasein is simultaneously ontic and ontological, which has the effect of inflating that empirical “subject” into an encounter with the world “as a whole”. Now, it’s obvious that the project of Dasein can not overtake and render itself equivalent to the world “as a whole”; but the deliverance of or from Being is always “as a whole”. Heidegger understand the transcendental as involving reference to consciousness, and hence denies any transcendental impetus to his thinking, but, in terms of investigating the “conditions of possibility” of the dispensations of Being, Heidegger would remain “transcendental”. Levinas is initiating de-transcendentalizing moves, though only much later would he have arguably “succeeded”. But what Levinas is objecting to and rebelling against in Heidegger is precisely the fatal submission to the dispensation and ordering of Being, “as a whole”, and the sacrificial obeisance to its powers, both early and late.

That the particular other might be evil, is not something that Levinas missed, but that he knew all too well. That I am responsible not just to but for the other, including being responsible for the other’s (ir)responsibility is constantly reiterated, such that I am not just “obsessed” by the other, but “persecuted” by him. That is the extremity of Levinasian passion and “passivity” in being. But that the other invokes and calls me forth from “beyond being”, (and the echo of Plato’s “to agathon” as famously “epikina tes ousias” is obvious, and Levinas explicitly affiliates his thinking at points with Plato, though it would be an odd sort of Platonism, as presumably involving neither essences, nor forms), indicates a reparative form of ethics that would break with such a paranoid impasse. I think it might be helpful in understanding Levinas’ hyperbolic conception of responsibility to consider it as a strategic reversal of Nietzsche’s self-creating, self-overcoming Uebermensch.

I myself have trouble making out Levinas’ claim that “fundamental ethics” is first philosophy, and his conception of it as “pre-original”. But it is not “classical ontological priority”. Derrida, for his own reasons, wants to draw Levinas back into ontological problematics, which is precisely what Levinas struggles to refuse. His “ethics” remains in the “forecourt” of ontology and ontological understanding and is at an odd angle to it. But in interviews Levinas does say that the next step beyond his ethics would be “political ontology”, which would consider the world in which there is the third, who would be other to the other, and for that world he reserves the term “justice”, though Levinas does not himself make the move into such “political ontology”. Still I think one can grasp something of the motivation of Levinas’ ethics, in that it aims “anti-politically” to set limits to the political realm, in terms of a before and a beyond, without denying the currency and inevitability of the political realm. In other words, the “object” of his ethics is “Hegelian murder”, murder for the sake of an idea or ideology, in the name of historical “necessity” or “progress”. It is important, however, not to see Levinas in terms of a pacific moral sentimentalism. On the contrary, in the world of “the third”, which is the real world we all live in, violence might well need be undertaken, but the responsibility for such violence is irremissible and unexpungeable, which should condition just how such violent commitments are undertaken. Levinas’ own political sympathies are pretty clear, that of a liberal republican, and he remained grateful to the France that had spared his life and that of his wife and children. Only from an extremist point-of-view could that be termed fascistic. Levinas did take care to acknowledge the elements of genuinely “emancipatory” ideals in communism, and, somewhat less controversially, in Marxism, but, when he cited Vassily Grossman’s “Life and Fate”, it was not to celebrate the “accomplishments” of Stalinism. For the rest, I’ll just leave aside Allan’s travesty that Levinas must be the real fascist, and that he has reverted to “eternal being” and rescinded the insight into the temporality of existence. Obviously, he’s taken little care and exercized no patience to understand what Levinas might be up to, and his conception of the “decision” that might be called forth from “the other” as blind and arbitrary submission ignores Levinas’ fundamental objection, vis-a-vis Heidegger, to “a voice that no face commands”.

There is a strange piece of hearsay from Derrida, where he reports Levinas saying to him in later years,- you know, people say I concerned with ethics, but actually I’m not interested in ethics at all, I’m concerned with saints, with the sainthood of saints. That sounds odd, as if, in RC fashion, he were declaring his devotion to the communion of immortal souls in heaven and the exemplary purity and perfection of religious virtuosi. But, of course, it’s a mistranslation, since there are more words in English than French or German, and in English the Jewish idiom is usually holiness, which is to be associated with wholeness, since in Jewish thinking and ritual practice, holiness is a matter of acknowledging and maintaining certain separations, as a means of keeping “things” whole. And Levinas is emphasizing the “holy”, in contrast to the “sacred”, which he would associate with pagan sacrificial ritual. What I would interpret Levinas to be saying, if the hearsay is accurate, is that he is not concerned with formal-rational systematic prescriptive ethics, which he doesn’t think possible anyway, but rather with the illumination cast upon the world by those who act from ethical responsiveness without appeal to “principle”. The parallel and contrast would be with the illumination cast upon the world in Heidegger by the ontological e-vent.

I don’t think Heidegger is perfect nor do I think someone doing things differently should be criticized solely for that. As I said I think Levinas both directly and indirectly has significantly affected how I view philosophy as well as how I read Heidegger.

Having said that though I think that Heidegger’s notion of authenticity and Levinas’ notion of ethics simply are much more similar than Levinas appears willing to accept. That’s not to say there aren’t other differences.

As to the rectory address, I agree that it’s scary, although I think many of the scary elements are there in his Nietzsche lectures as well. Having said that though there’s also elements from the address which are quite profound.

My personal feeling is that neither Levinas nor Heidegger really provide a way to avoid fascism, totalitarianism (of the fascist or socialist varieties) or so forth. It’s just too incomplete to do that. But criticizing them for that is ultimately futile. It’s akin to complaining that physicists haven’t provided us the tools to do that. I think we sometimes demand too much of a philosophical theory.

The issue of Levinas and the reception of Heidegger in France is interesting. Clearly Levinas was party to spreading the Heideggarian word, as it were. But Heidegger’s Nazism clearly affected him. (And completely understandably)

I think though that simply removing beings in an analysis of Dasein really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. Although I admit that this does get into the issue of Dasein’s relationship to ontic entities and to what degree Heidegger is a “pure” idealist and to what degree he is an ontic realist. I wouldn’t characterize the fact Dasein is both ontic and ontological quite as you do. But I completely agree that Heidegger and Levinas are pointing in different directions. (I think this gets done even more in Derrida)

That Levinas doesn’t like Heidegger’s focus on Being is undeniable. That’s not really the issue (as I see it). Rather the issue is to what degree this is a focus with other elements also present in Heidegger’s thought. (i.e. is the critique just that Heidegger doesn’t write about what you want him to write about) Or, if it is more than that, whether one is being fair to Heidegger and whether the focus has the consequences Levinas asserts.

I rather like Levinas’ phenomenology of the Other. I think his criticisms of Heidegger are far less plausible. Having said that though such an appropriation can be useful. And a Heideggerian criticizing Levinas too much on these points has to ask how fair Heidegger was to Plato, Nietzsche, Kant and others. Appropriation in this way - even to the degree of a polemic encounter like Levinas often gives us - can be philosophically useful. One might ask though whether by engaging in polemics against Heidegger Levinas ends up abbrogating his own logic of the Other. That is does he respond to the call of the Other in Heidegger.

The issue of the evil in Levinas wasn’t whether he recognized the other could be evil. As you say, he obviously knew that well. The question is whether philosophically he was able to deal with this. While you say Levinas is a political liberal his view and justification of actions by Israel obviously raise questions. (And I say that as someone who politically typically supports Israel) That is there is a very real philosophical question of fascism in Levinas.

BTW - the issue of Derrida and Levinas is apt. And, as you note, Derrida moves Levinas much more into the ontological. That is the Other becomes less an ethical call than the ontological Other. (The prime matter of Aristotle, Plotinus or others) There is of necessity a double move though since this “prime matter” can only be considered relative to Being. Further the Other in Aristotle or Plotinus only can be the ethical Other if the prime matter is more than just matter - if it is a person-like source. Thus it must be like Being but in a sense not Being.

So Derrida ends up doing some tricky moves.

But the logic of the Other is just inherently tricky and one can see that others have attempted it before. (Plotinus being the most obvious example)

8 john c. halasz on July 30th, 2008 11:49 pm

I’d meant vaguely to get back to this thread. The relationship between Levinas and Heidegger is a vexed one, not least because Levinas’ own thinking is thoroughly immersed in, dependent on, and responsive to Heidegger’s, even as he launches a harsh excoriating, repudiating critique of seemingly the whole cast of Heidegger’s thinking. (That might make it seem as if the appreciation of Heidegger’s thinking isn’t there and as if Levinas has only a one-sided understanding of Heidegger, but I think something of the harshness or vehemence of his criticism is due precisely to his feeling the full force of Heidegger’s thinking, and due to his need to underline his exact points of difference with Heidegger, and differentiate his own views from the immense influence of Heidegger, within the terms of which they are situated. And it is especially Heidegger’s implied “political ontology” or his complicity with power, without, of course, worldly power being something that can be eliminated, disarmed, or simply disavowed, that Levinas takes aim at). Scholars have often expressed perplexity at Aristotle’s critical comments about Plato, but, I think, something of the sense that Aristotle simply misread Plato can be dispelled if one realizes that he is actually claiming to do Plato “one better”, so that, e.g., that aporetic, riddling distinction between existence and essence, or, better, that it is and what it is, can be taken as unraveling the relation between the forms and their degenerate empirical instantiations. (My sense is that it’s less that Aristotle is more like Plato than commonly received, but more that Plato is more like Aristotle than commonly received). I think something like that “doing one better” is virtually always the case when one philosopher criticizes another, by whom he/she is strongly influenced. So I think you are right that the issue of responsibility is already strongly “there” in Heidegger, though Levinas does serve to bring it out sharply, and calls into question the adequacy of the basis that Heidegger gives to the “call”. (Heidegger’s critique of modern technology would be very much a case in point, since there is a peculiar doubleness to it, since he obviously wants to criticize it, which would mean some sort of normative counter-appeal, but he also sees it as a dispensation of Being itself, which must be submitted to and accepted. It’s as if the formula were: Being is, therefore it is a commandment. And Heidegger is not entirely wrong, when he sees the Nazis’ mass exterminations as belonging to the self-proliferating complex of modern technology, since part of its “unique” horror is that it called upon the “advanced” organizational and technological means of modern “civilization” to implement itself, which makes it different from other such mass murders, all of which are nonetheless “unique” in their absolute evil and horror. But there is something culpably obtuse is Heidegger’s assimilation of such a mass occurrence to an ontological dispensation or destining, as if it would serve to “prove” a point. I think one can see there part of Levinas’ motivation for shifting from an ontological to an ethical “ground”, as a refusal of any such “gnostic” rationalization of such occurrences. But his ethics is “an-archic”, since any authority, political, ethical, religious, is groundless, without foundation: most simply put, any imperative exceeds the conditions from which it arises, in fact, would aim, in some measure, at altering those conditions, or, in the case of a negative imperative, a prohibition, at altering what would otherwise result or ensue, such that it can’t simply come from Being. And, indeed, our language doesn’t just “house” Being, but is always riddled with imperatives and involves, microscopically, a shifting tissue of norms. Gregory Bateson put the point too simplistically in referring to the “report/command” duality involved in every statement. No condition or state of the world is ever simply a destining of Being. However limited or minute our power of disposal over it, there always remains the bare possibility of such a condition or state being transformed or “redeemed”, in being transmitted otherwise to futural states or conditions of the world. That would be what Levinas espies in “responsibility”, and the issue he contests with Heidegger concerns the source and, perhaps, the “structure” of such responsibility).

Heidegger’s Rectoral Address does, indeed, exude a kind of dark brilliance. His appeal to the “leading principle”, the arche, in addressing the disintegration and loss of motivating force in the truth behind the organization of modern knowledge, in its very groundlessness, as connected to a renewal of an idealized polis, in which the German people wills to know itself in its “essence”, IIRC something of its rhetoric, amounts to a foreshortened synopsis of a “whole” range of issues. It’s fair to say, at least, that Heidegger was deluded, in that he didn’t understand who was leading whom, until it was too late. (And, perhaps if one wants to try an understand what Heidegger “saw” in Nazism, a glance back at “The Earliest System Program of German Idealism”, with its philosophically-backed popular religion as a key to the socially emancipated German nation, in a right-wing interpretation of an originally “left” document, might hold some clues). But then one can see precisely why Levinas, from the start, took aim at the ontology of knowledge, as an exclusive and supreme criterion. (And, of course, it’s not just Heidegger, but also Hegel, who he takes aim at, as exemplars, though the case is different with each, of the whole tradition of Western metaphysics, wherein humans are conceived as “the rational animal”, with “rationality” being conceived as closely tied to knowledge and the “logic” of truth, and knowledge thereby being the supreme “justification” of existence, such that human beings are to be ranked and recognized in a hierarchy of knowledge, which is the sole common “substance” in which they participate. And, of course, one shouldn’t forget Sartre, as the reigning “presence”, with whom he maintained personable collegial relations throughout, inspite of, perhaps, finding Sartre’s politics absurd, if not reprehensible, since he maintained his sense of connection with what had happened in his native U.S.S.R.). The shift to another normative dimension, while still maintaining its ties both to philosophical generality and phenomenological “demonstration”, would motivate the discrete moves he would gradually, painstakingly make to accrue an alternative “position” as a philosophical riposte. The dimension of the ethical that is invoked wouldn’t necessarily claim to dispose over knowledge, nor over the worldly conditions to which it is directed, but it also wouldn’t be reducible to its terms, though it might draw into question its “value”. (At any rate, a sheer “ethics” of truth, at its limit, would be “cynicism”, whereas a sheer ethics of “justice”, at its limit, would be “fanaticism”).

So I think one should read Levinas as operating within a basic acceptance of Heidegger’s Dasein analysis, and not rejecting it, to understand the specific import of the revisionary moves he makes. He certainly doesn’t simply reject Dasein’s relation to ontic entities. Rather he “dissolves” it, early on, beginning with his formulation of the “il y a”, perhaps his first move of response. He “begins” with the enjoyment of the “elements”, even prior to any practical involvements with organized “things”, and, of course, that is precisely aimed at the account of Zuhandendsein, as involved with the discipline of work and its “worries”. Work, then comes to be described in terms of fatigue, just as temporality is not a progression to any finite realization, but rather “aging”, though it is the chasm in time, the diachronic “time of the other”, which is beyond “my” time, which comes about from such erosions of self. And that self, which is “hypostatized” into its irreducible particularity as interior from the exteriority of its relation to the other, is itself ontic, but only “fully” becomes so through being uprooted and eroded from itself through its responsibility for the other, which individuates it even as it prevents it from being a “completed” or fully coherent self, through its project. Rather its project, rather than being grasped through “authenticity” and being a donation of Being, is donated to the other, giving “sense”, (which, of course, also means “direction” in French), through its “sincerity”. The “il y a”, which begins in “enjoyment”, is an alternate account of anxiety, but is also the counterpart of “illeity”, which is the structural condition from which the other approaches and invokes. (And, yes, there is a difficulty in distinguishing “il y a” and “illeity”, which is to say, a profound ambiguity between good and evil, which can only be resolved through enduring/repairing evil through the call of the good “beyond Being”). The upshot is that there is a whole series of moves in Levinas, which are revisions and parallels to Heidegger, which I don’ think can be grasped, except in terms of Levinas having accepted and worked within Heidegger’s basic account and analysis of both Dasein and the truth of Being, before, and even after, any attempted “break-out”, and seeking of another “direction”.

I was a bit too abrupt in saying that Heidegger simply stuffed Husserl’s transcendental ego back into the empirical ego in ocnceiving Dasein, though the referential problem of assigning the transcendental ego bothered him. But the ontic/ontological distinction is a transformation of the empirical/transcendental one, (with Dasein being both providing an “identity condition” as a point of phenomenological access). And Heidegger does follow out the ontological line, once having gained access, tending to dismiss ontic engagements as mere “Weltanschauung”. And there is a tension between the finitude of Dasein and the giving of Being as a “whole” which inhabits his thinking and lends it still a certain theoretical-transcendental distance, though I think his conception of “the world” is one of his enduring strengths. And philosophers are, of course, not stupid in thinking up and recurrently being lured into distinctions such as transcendental/empirical. There is a real phenomenal duality to human beings that it draws on, as at once particular objects among objects and subjects capable in principle of a universal knowledge of objects, in the Kantian-Fichtean version, or as particular beings in the world involved with other such beings, and that peculiar being in the world for whom there is a world, as an environing set of meaning-horizons, by which it must interpretively understand both itself and other beings that appear within the world, in the Heideggerian version. But I understand Levinas as engaged with a withdrawal from transcendental problematics, and any effort at a referential mastery of the world. (That would be a point of contact with Wittgenstein, who I also see as de-transcendentalizing issues, though, in his case, with specific reference to Kant. An actual quote: “Enough of all this transcendental twaddle, when everything is actually as plain as a sock to the jaw!”) When Levinas says, e.g., “Insomnia is a formalism more formal than any possible formalism”, interpret that as one may, (though it imitates some of Heidegger’s hyperbolic tropes), I take it to be saying that the “formal” occurs within the empirical and is not somehow theoretically distinct from it. Figures concerning the “pre-original” and the “immemorial past”, which can never be gathered up recollectively into a present, are also part of that withdrawal. There is nothing in Levinas that is not lived out, except perhaps for reference to a future which never “necessarily” arrives. Indeed, he’s probably the most “materialist” of phenomenologists, and certainly his “subject” is as thoroughly embodied as anything in Merleau-Ponty, inspite of notions that he is supposed to be concerned with “spiritual” matters, or narrowly moralistic concerns. It’s only through seeking out a different “angle” on “things” that he attempts to twist free from Heidegger.

I don’t think that philosophy can somehow forestall or “cure” fascism or, more generally, political violence. At best, it provides resources to understand and critically engage with such conditions and identify them as they occur, without in any way disposing over the course of the world. Philosophy is for thinking reeds. Levinas account of “ethics” is only political by virtue of being “anti-political”, delimiting the political, which is not to say it’s quietist and abjures any active engagement with the world. To me, it precisely points to the domain of practical reason, in terms of “responsibility”, which constrains one’s variously situated engagements with the violences that afflict the world and are perhaps endemic to social relations. But I don’t see how he could be accused of being infected with “fascism”, except in that he is far more forthright about the intrications of good with evil than Heidegger ever managed to be. And I said he was a republican, if one of liberalistic bent, not a liberal. (That the pursuit of self-interest results in the realization of general interest he once termed “hatefulness itself”). A comparison with Hannah Arendt, though indirect, would not be out of order. His work might suggest a concern for “human rights”, but, contrary to much current self-righteous tergiversations, I don’t think he would have missed that “rights” are legal constructions that require a coercive enforcement power, even if only over against that enforcement power itself, hence such questions are thoroughly intricated with issues of worldly power and “authority”. His Zionism, which I don’t share, was clearly an idealized and hopeful affair, but obviously meant to tax such a project in terms of his own hyperbolic conception of “responsibility”. (The interview about the Sabra and Shatilla massacre, for which he is often taxed, occurred just after the news had broken and well before the extent of Israeli complicity with and responsibility for the Lebanese militia had been established). At any rate, he wasn’t a ready political activist or commentator. That was not the sort of observant life he choose to lead.

There’s a great Holderin quote that was mentioned over at Enowning that seems apt. “Where the danger is, there thrives the saving power” And of course there’s the famous Nietzsche statement, “And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.” That, of course, has been taken in many ways.

I think both apply to both Heidegger and Levinas. That is by basically making it impossible to move from the Other to a knowledge of what to do both open up a danger and a salvation. To me this very danger Levinas sees in Heidegger (and which Heidegger’s own rather hypocritical life demonstrates) is simultaneously in Levinas’ own work simply because he can but point to the call, demand and responsibility of the Other but say nothing about how to respond.

So I think some of the criticisms of Heidegger are apt. I just think Levinas’ solutions are already in Heidegger (either explicitly or as “unthought” but clearly demanded) and that Levinas’ own work doesn’t prevent the same problems from arising. That is we have the demand to act but no way of tying act to call. (The same act could be done in or out of responsibility - and an act we’d call “good” can be a response to the Other or not)

I thus don’t think one can say he is fascist merely that the fascist can be found in his thought. The very problem of engaging with real politics and real political acts merely highlights the issue. It frankly is easy to look at horrendous acts, say they are bad, and say that responsibility of some sort would keep an individual from engaging in them. It’s quite a bit trickier to deal with how to deal with these. Certainly it’s true that Levinas deals with the complexity of these issues more than Heidegger does. (While the issues are in Heidegger he doesn’t focus on them - that much is inarguable I think)

The problem is, as I tried to suggest, that by not pointing to how to stop fascism you have your thought contaminated by fascism if only in the unthought aspects of it. Put an other way, it’s very easy to see one engaging in fascist actions for pure motives towards the Other. (I’ll avoid political examples but I think there are many examples of this just in recent American history)

10 john c. halasz on August 1st, 2008 10:45 pm

It seems to me your asking the question of the relation, if any, between “fundamental” thinking, which reflects on the pre-reflective and pre-conceptual sources of our thinking/understanding of how we are in the world, and the world of “common sense” experience, in which thinking must be bound to acting, or vice versa. And any “answer” could be only a highly indirect relation, which might elucidate or resonate with the situations, which we fall into, but doesn’t provide any specific account of those situations themselves. (But I might find your claim about the “impossibility” of any move between levels perhaps a bit Derridean). But I think it’s also worth pointing out that even on the “ordinary” level of ethical thinking or theorizing, a binding determinacy is not readily on offer. The charges of empty formalism and too rigorous purism directed against Kant are not quite true, since in lesser works he does offer extensive prescriptive lists of duties, (including that quaint nicety about cheerfulness as a duty), but the formalism and noumenality of his main systematic account takes precedence over any effort at specification. And Wittgenstein, who maintained his ethics of silence early and late, abruptly dismissing ethical talk as worthless, idle chatter, since ethics is a matter of commitment to action or conduct, also I think meant to imply that ethical theorizing, in attempting to derive prescriptive actions from first principles, actually leads away from and reifies and distorts the matter “at hand” in terms of ethical disclosure, insight, or responsiveness, or, otherwise put, tends to suppress an “aesthetic” aspect essential to ethical matters. At any rate, I don’t think ethics can be meaningfully reduced to a calculus or decision procedure, since it amounts to a refusal of sheerly instrumental conduct, and morality always first and foremost redounds upon one’s own head, since no one can truly decide for another. And, indeed, it is precisely out of a sense of one’s own wrong, at least potentially, that one comes to conscience, with proclamations of a “good” or “clean” conscience not necessarily redounding to one’s credit, since it might just be an indication of obtuseness or obliviousness. (Orthodox Christianity begins with a consciousness of sin, without which I don’t think it can be understood, though try arguing that with an atheist, who insists on “evidence” for the “existence” of God). But, at any rate, that issue that you mention of the source of a “good” act, is partly as old as Aristotle, as I mentioned below, who problematized the moral evaluation of a “good” act, in terms of whether it was intentionally or dispositionally “free”, though, of course, his ethics is quasi-aristocratic, concerned with “honor” and a certain ontological perfectionism, (and pagan, as well, with “natural slavery”, etc.) But some version of the problem crops up recurrently, with “authenticity/responsibility” just raising it more “radically” and at greater “depth”, in terms of questioning just how and to what extent we dispose over our possibilities.

Levinas is clearly operating at the “fundamental” level of thinking, seeking to draw out the source of any possible ethical conception or norm, while also “opposing” such a source to what is uncovered by fundamental ontological “rationality”. But I don’t think what he is “saying” is completely unrecognizable at the level of more “ordinary” ethical thinking. And, in fact, I think he’s trying to get at some of the blockage that occurs at the fundamental ontological level, if taken as an exclusive focus. And he is certainly not claiming to avoid or extricate the ethical from our fatal entanglements. (In a different context for somewhat different reasons, Arendt made “forgiveness” a crucial condition for political action). The troubled restlessness of Levinasian ethical “insomnia” is not, certainly, Sartrean “bad faith”,- (though the slogan “to decide for one is to decide for all” is worth considering as something he’s picking apart, as good for neither the all, nor the one),- but I think something of the “same” unavoidability is involved. On the other hand, Levinas conception of an heteronymous freedom bears the very height of risk and is “dangerous”, in a way that should give the armoring of liberal or other conceptions of “autonomous” freedom pause for thought.

I typed out a screed yesterday, but found it so garbled that I didn’t press post. Re-reading it today, I felt too lazy or exhausted to try and disentangle it into a more readable form, but I thought it did part way pin some things down. (Aside from trying to pin down my own thoughts, in a somewhat obsessed, disorganized way, I can never quite be sure that I’ve been explicit enough, in terms of what exactly, in what someone else has said, in this case you, I am attempting to respond). So I decided, with apologies for my prolixities and confusions, to post it any way. Two points to try an clear up the mess. I think that the modal relation to the other, as a kind or dimension of signification, is something not to be found in Heidegger, which is original with Levinas, (though something similar is implicit in Wittgenstein), and which then “frames” the saying, unsaying, resaying trope by which he at once tries to disentangle himself from Heidegger and indicate an excess or surplus in meaning that is “otherwise” than the ontological. The other point is that my “account” of the Jewish sources that Levinas is drawing on, (which has nothing to do with the specific Nazi/Jew diatribe, but only concerns what might “shape” his thinking), was foreshortened jibberish, though since I’m not Jewish, it would not be my forte. Suffice it to say, that Jewish thinking has no “kairos”, no “fullness of time”, in which all things might be teleologically or predeterminedly gathered together and announced. And Judaism defines itself through observance of the law, an ethical compact, rather than through theological doctrine. And their notion of redemption is far more collectively or communally oriented than Christian conceptions concerning individual salvation. It “operates” counter-historically and reparatively, and the Messianic is a rupture with, rather than a fulfillment of, worldly history. All this tends to give Jewish styles of thinking an “intersubjective” or “interpersonal” cast and orientation, though those words sit oddly with Levinas, with his modal “saying” which can not be said, and his descriptive focus on the “hypostasis” of the lone “subject”, who is touched by, but can never reach the other, (which might make his taxing of Heidegger with a kind of sollipsism seem hypocritical, though he doesn’t lose the focus on ontic involvements, but rather, assuming all that from Heidegger and Merleau-Ponty, he focuses on the ontic status of the “subject”). (And he has an excellent essay on Buber, in which it becomes clear, at least to me, how much “deeper”, more rigorous and refined a thinker he is). At any rate, all this just goes to try and “clarify” what I was trying to indicate about a different way of “gathering” meaning/signification involved in Levinas’ uncovering of/appeal to the modal “nature” of the relation to the other.

Finally, a crucial difference with Heidegger is that the Levinasian “subject” doesn’t come to some sort of “completion” or “fulfillment” in the authentic resolution of a finite project. Rather such a “subject” remains self-divided, non-identical, “split”, and Levinas’ “ethics” is that of such a fatally “incomplete” subject in a fractured, multivalent world. (Yes, something of such incompleteness as finite openness can be found in Heidegger, and it leads on to Derrida’s critique of self-presence, though I don’t think Levinas should be simply subsumed under either account). If Levinas “inevitably” fails to offer any decision criteria, it is because his ethics is a non-knowledge, since for him the urgency of the ethical always occurs in the mean-time, before it is too late, before any “final” knowledge could arrive and decide.

O.K. A last remark on the delimitation of the ethical from the political. It might seem obvious to you or I that political ends are neither total, nor ultimate or final, but, then, we didn’t live through the first half of the 20th century, and we’re Americans, (though I’m first generation). But, regarding the past, I tend to try to avoid the “enormous condescension of posterity” and regard past culpabilities with some sense of what it must have been “like” for participants, else the false sense of security and certainty in the present just breeds moral sentimentality and a blindness to the confusions and risks of the present. So, again with apology, I append the following comment.

Of course, I don’t think that such projects of “fundamental” thinking, which aim “deeply” at disclosing how it is laid out with the world and us in it, and the sources of thinking itself and what is “given” to think, can be readily tied to acting and be expected to issue “immediate” directives for action. (It is partly at disspelling such illusions of theoretical control that their criticisms are aimed). Though why Heidegger thought his “authority” as a philosopher would “translate” so readily into the political realm is part of what is drawn into question, (though he actually was among the least Nazified of the Nazi-supporting “respectable” philosophy professors of that time,- it’s just that the others, such as Nicolai Hartmann and Oskar Becker, are little remembered now). But the issues in question don’t just concern the “case” of Heidegger and personal criticisms are largely beside the point, though I don’t think excavating some of the sources of his complicity in his own thinking is irrelevant to examining just how it is with the world, and that would be how I would understand Levinas’ criticisms and revisions. And I do think, even at the “fundamental” level, and even granted his difficult entanglements, (which the very slowness and carefulness of his work painfully reflects), that Levinas’ criticism and revisions do mark significant differences and even a kind of “progress”. Simplistically put, the question of Being becomes at once more porous and less all-determinative. And though his work is to be taken in its philosophical generality, without any confessional mortgages, (no more than with Heidegger or anyone else), Levinas does specifically cite Rosenzweig, (whom I’ve never looked in to), as a main antecedent, and it’s worth considering something of that Jewish background, in that it does involve some specific differences in terms of issues of communication and signification and how the meaning-horizons of the world might gather-together and accrue, (which I think is part of the “beyond Being”).

What Levinas does aim to bring out, as “missing” in Heidegger, is just the difference, “forgotten” by the forgetfulness of Being, between an “ontological” and an “ethical” mode of intelligibility and signification, which is not just a matter of the subsumption of the individual under the impersonal “totality”, (since I think both would acknowledge that the individual belongs to community, sine qua non), but involves a specific reflection on just how and from “what” we at once receive and deliver our significations. Heidegger is pretty notoriously “incommunicative”, with his focus on the “soundless saying of the “voice” of Being”, and his “strategy” involves, AFAICT, a “purification” of the (conditions of the) understanding of Being, as prior to any “authentic” communication. Translating roughly, it would be a matter of how the semantics of such understanding would be delivered unto us and of the conditions for its “proper” reception. Levinas is offering up a “dirtier” proposition, though, for different reasons, perhaps equally “incommunicative”, focusing on how the usage of any such semantics and what it would disclose is inflected by the relation to the other, who is never just another semantic item, and affects any possible orientation toward (the reception of) meaning in the world. Being and the other run in parallel, as both concealing themselves through revealing themselves, but they nominate different dimensions of the question: how is it that meaning/understanding discloses the world and beings within it and what is its source. That the relation to the other is “modal”, i.e. neither what, nor that, means that the saying of the other, like that of Being, can not be reduced to a said, but the reason is different. That modal dimension of meaning “constitution”, in more superficial jargon, the “illocutionary”, is neither a symbol, nor a sign, neither semantic, nor semiotic, though it inflects and troubles both, which is part of why Levinas avoids any discussion of language, (though avoiding all the technical linguistic discussions of the surrounding structuralism, as missing or concealing his point, was no doubt also involved). However, there lies the parting of ways with Heidegger, whose odd manner of discourse involves the effort to talk about “something” that is not any thing, if not nothing, which is that which “gives” the what/that. In contrast, Levinas is not talking about. If his revisionary descriptions and criticisms have a deflationary tone toward Heidegger’s “bombast”, it is not because he has missed the point, but because it serves to make a counter-point. And, from that prosaic deflationary description, that good beyond Being, (which is explicitly meant to withstand the Nietzschean critique of morality, which makes his appeal to Plato rather odd), arises, such that the more it arouses the desire for the good and instills responsibility, the more one’s responsibility grows, together with the desire for the good, such that the Levinasian “subject” ends up hyperbolically buried beneath the full weight of the world. That such a hyperbolically crushing burden might be a parody of the Heideggerian destiny of Being is not quite the point. Rather note that Heidegger carefully specified that authenticity is a modification within the inauthenticity of “das Man”, and in no wise eliminates it, so that, by the “logic” of thrownness and projection, authenticity and inauthenticity “inevitably” come to change places, a “tragic’ note to the destiny of Being, which was echoed in the ersatz evocations of “tragic grandeur” in Nazi ideology, as if Heidegger had foreseen his own downfall. Nonetheless, the saying of Being remains a destiny or destining. By contrast, Levinas’ responsibility involves not just a saying of and to the other, but an unsaying and a resaying, (which I think is a distinctly anti-dialectical trope). (And I believe that “dedire” in French, “retract”, also suggests connotations of “de-duct” and “deny”, since it’s commonly a promise or contract that’s at issue in its use, hence a loss of “credit” and an erasure of conditions.) So it’s not the case that Levinas failed to respond to “the other” in Heidegger, but rather that, in order to do so, he had to shift ground and pull the “ground” out from under Heidegger, in the process originating an “other” conception of that “ground” in resaying Heidegger. And Levinas conception of responsibility is structured much differently than in Heidegger with respect to answering the call and to “what” is answered to.

So if you’re asking, in Piercean-pragmatic terms, for a criterion of discernible difference, I think the beginnings of an answer can be made out in that shift in ground and the way the underlying “lay of the land” is altered, so that the way the “issues” would arise and come into “focus” in a discernible perspective is affected by how one regards the “unanimity” of Being. But if you’re asking, in terms of such a criterion, how such “fundamental” thinking might be “translated” into decision criteria for acting, I’d be hard pressed, not just because the question might be slightly beside the point, since we’re dealing with a highly generalized mode of reflection on background conditions “before” any such question would arise, but because any possible answer would be so highly mediated through all sorts of other conditions that the thread of the sorts of questions and their criteria that would need to be addressed would get lost. The relation between thinking and acting neither begins, nor ends with “fundamental” thinking, but the point of such thinking is to draw out, in all sorts of embedded situations, including epistemic activities, what sorts of questions might be asked about the “stakes” at issue, rather than to bind actions to answers. The hope would be that if the “right” questions are asked, then one needn’t worry so much about resolving upon answers.

The classical philosophical-metaphysical desire was to know completely and fully the possible, (hence the prestige of logic, as, at least, ruling out the impossible). But such a desire is precisely impossible, even as we exist in the world in terms of our(?) counterfactual possibilities, which we must “of necessity” choose from and decide upon. Without any classical metaphysical guarantees. As if in compensation, we now have extensive and robust explanatory/predictive theories. But it is our ironical fate, that they at once multiply possibilities and obscure what is specifically “given” to us to decide upon. And, of course, our fates are not entirely determined by any possibilities that we would choose, even as what is set in chain by those possibilities entangle us in our fates. It seems to me that raising the question of responsibility in terms of the relation to the other is a way of drawing out what remains, not indestructable in Being, but unmanipulable in (collective) fate.

Well, this particular screed went off-track, as I try to gather my teeming thoughts into focus to make specific points, (though, in my defense, these are complicated matters). I might have more to add later about authenticity/sincerity/commitment being not quite criterial, and how part of that is as old as Aristotle. And about delimiting the ethical from the political, and about how confusing the two is damaging to both. And how the complexity of modern conditions tend to render the ethical “fugitive”. But I’ve inflicted enough of my own confusions for now.

Wow. That’s a very long comment. I read it through yesterday and knew I couldn’t comment then. (Especially not trying to type on an iPhone!) Even tonight there’s more than I can bite off in one chew. So a few brief preliminary thoughts and then hopefully some more tomorrow.

I think common sense can at best apply to the general case for a given community for the kind of general phenomena they encounter. Move beyond that and common sense doesn’t apply. (You’ll note that this is often my critique of folk theories or intuitions - that a general principle is applied outside the tested bounds)

I don’t think I’m getting at the conflict between this realm of common sense and the realm of fundamental questions, questioning, or so forth. More I’m taking for granted that studies of one realm don’t necessarily tell us much about practical issues (which isn’t necessarily the same as common sense) To critique fascism as a practical matter (i.e. in terms of real world comportment) is thus isolated from fundamental questions. To apply the one to the other one must provide a route from fundamental questions to practical ones. Neither Levinas nor Heidegger do this really. The difference is that Levinas criticizes Heidegger for what he himself can’t provide. To the degree he criticizes Heidegger on fundamental grounds I think he is largely (although not always) misreading Heidegger. (Either intentionally or accidentally) To the degree he criticizes Heidegger on fascism in the sense of the movement we talk about rather than as a metaphor for something fundamental he’s simply opening himself up to the same charge.

That’s really all I’m saing.

To me the distinction between ontology (or in latter Heidegger thinking) and Levinas’ ethics is pretty slim at best. To me as I read Levinas he’s trying to make a distinction that is slippery at best. If only because Heidegger isn’t talking metaphysics. (Even if metaphysics is always there)

Now I will admit that I don’t find ethics in philosophy terribly interesting precisely because I find that most meta-ethical theories are kind of questionable and don’t provide practical reasoning. But that’s more an other issue.

More later.

To add, the one way out that I think even Heidegger points to is to say that philosophy is useless in providing answers but in thinking philosophy something happens to us. In Levinasian terms we might not be able to do much at providing reasons or even ideas but perhaps as a kind of unconscious side effect we become better people. I think this is something both talk about to varying degrees. I’m just not sure it’s anything but wishful thinking.

Now Mark Wrathall took me to task in an email list I’m in with him for suggesting there was good empirical justification for saying ethics professors aren’t made more ethical. Something we’d expect if ethical thinking had an effect. The evidence (mainly from the blog Splintered Mind) is somewhat weak. But it’s sufficient to have a fair bit of skepticism (even if the ethics professors Eric is discussing are more analytic)

By thinking I mean two different things. One, the kind of reasoning that one encounters generally in philosophy. Second, “thinking” in the sense the latter Heidegger uses it - roughly as his refinement and expansion of phenomenology. I think the latter is more apt to change us to be more ethical and “do the right thing” but I’m not convinced in the least it will. I think the former there is very, very good reason to be skeptical about.

However it’s also the case that more study is necessary to establish the grounds to think philosophy doesn’t have the effect some believe it does. I didn’t want to portray my concerns as more than what they were.

Edit: the above turned out to be a troll. (He posted a slew of comments not really saying anything which I deleted)

BTW - here’s the quote I was thinking of. It’s from Introduction to Metaphysics.

…granted that we cannot do anything with philosophy, might not philosophy, if we concern ourselves with it, do someting with us?

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