The Democratic War on Science?

Posted on November 5, 2008
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Remember all the hubbub the last while about the so-called Republican war on science? Actually while it was pretty exaggerated there was also a fair amount of truth to it. Many of us, myself included, hoped that an Obama administration would reverse this and show much more appreciation for scientific process and knowledge.

Then I read this. “…Obama is strongly considering Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to head the Environmental Protection Agency…”

What?!?

This is the guy who for years promoted the supposed autism – vaccine link and helped cause many fearful parents to not vaccinate their children. Leading to the resurgence of many diseases like whooping cough. And note that he did this long after the science had disproved his thesis. (Respectful Insolence has had over the years a lot of great posts on the subject including this recent book review)

I really hope all those at Science Blogs who have been griping about Republicans the past years do the same when Obama makes these kinds of egregious errors.

Of course I’d much rather have Obama simply keep Kennedy out of his government. I’m hoping this is just rumors and BS of the sort that is so common in the media in place of real reporting.

[Edit: I just noticed this post by Orac on the same thing]

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18 Responses to “The Democratic War on Science?”

Well, that’s depressing. (If it happens…)

What happened to Obama’s team of Nobel laureates?!

2 John Mansfield on November 6th, 2008 7:12 am

John Derbyshire asked at National Review, “Will Obama Kill Science?

“Most people still think of human-science controversies in terms of nature/nurture. As a matter of real scientific dispute, that is all long gone. Nature/nurture arguments were at the heart of the sociobiology wars that roiled the human sciences through the last third of the 20th century. (The 2000 book Defenders of Truth, by the Finnish sociologist of science Ullica Segerstråle gives a full — and so far as I can judge, very fair — account.) The dust of battle has pretty much settled now, in science departments if not in the popular press, and nature is the clear victor. Name any universal characteristic of human nature, including cognitive and personality characteristics. Of all the observed variation in that characteristic, about half is caused by genetic differences. You may say that is only a half victory; but it is a complete shattering of the nurturist absolutism that ruled in the human sciences forty years ago, and that is still the approved dogma in polite society, including polite political society, today.”

“Population geneticist Henry Harpending posts a creepy invitation he got from the National Human Genome Research Institute (yes, that’s a ‘.gov’ you see there in their web address …), who are ‘planning a workshop to explore the ethical, legal, and social issues (ELSI) raised by research on natural selection in humans.’ The impetus for this meeting, they say, is ‘a growing need for more thoughtful deliberation by genomic researchers, ELSI researchers, science writers and science editors regarding the societal issues raised by natural selection research.’ Get the picture?”

“We are about to find out whether our traditional devotion to free speech and free enquiry can survive real, incontrovertible results from the human sciences; and in particular, in the event of an Obama victory, whether that devotion can survive under a left-liberal administration headed by a cultural Marxist — an administration much more interested in shoring up the soft totalitarianism of ‘diversity’ and ‘multiculturalism’ than in permitting the discovery of true facts about human nature.”

http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/HumanSciences/obamavshbd.html

Orac has a followup post that summarizes the situation well.

The more I think about this the more depressed I become. The worst excesses of the Bush administration were about putting political loyalists in positions of significant power who were simply not competent. Often not merely incompetent but actively deluded people who had a warped view of the world and didn’t let reality enter in. Robert Kennedy is at least as bad as the worst of the Bush administration. What’s worse Obama is thinking of putting him in a position where arguably more science is needed than any place else and where arguably the implication of applying pseudoscience, of being a bad manager, etc. are huge. Do you really want someone anti-science deciding which drugs are safe for you?

This report is getting confirmed in more and more places. The best we can hope for is that if there is a big hue and cry that Obama will back off. So mention this every place you can think of. The last thing we need is “same crap; different name” going on. The nation needs competent people in places of power. That’s far more important than even ideology.

John, sorry about your message ending up in the spam filter for a while. C’est la vie.

A few quibbles. First I have a hard time seeing Obama as a “cultural Marxist” – or for that matter understanding what the even means. Clearly he’s a liberal. But a Marxist?

Secondly I’m not sure there’s anything sinister about a workshop exploring the issues related to natural selection in humans. I actually think that’s a good thing. Of course one could promote it in such a way as to make it bad. But that’s true on a lot of issues.

I think there’s general consensus that human evolution is, if anything, going on much faster now than in the past. That’s partially because of the size of the population but also due to rapidly changing selection pressures.

5 John Mansfield on November 6th, 2008 1:52 pm

I wouldn’t give Derbyshire’s worries too much weight, but he does point to a way that science can conflict with liberal ideology. You point to another: Instead of “all business is good business and who cares about scientific findings,” we may have to watch out for the John Edwards branch of the Democratic Party that figures that everyone who has manufactured anything is guilty of endangering our health, and who cares what studies actually show about vaccines, breast implants, etc.?

You know I actually don’t care if politicians make a value judgement that despite the science path X is what we should do. I may disagree with them but it doesn’t infuriate me. What infuriates me are politicians who lie about science so as to get people to believe path X is the right one.

Re: Obama. Socialist yes, Marxist no. You can’t be a good Marxist unless you maintain the legitimacy of violent revolution to achieve socialist ends. Outside of a few hot spots in Latin America, Marxists seem to be a dying breed.

Socialism lives on. Argentina recently seized the assets of private pension plans for example. At the rate we are digging ourselves into a hole, the United States is probably not too many years from capital levies, hyperinflation or both. What could be more democratic than inflating the currency? Not just here a little and there a little, but under duress and all at once?

Umm. The only socialists I saw in the last while were Sarah Palin and how they treat resources in Alaska and then George Bush nationalizing Freddie Mack, Fannie Mae and buying control of many banks whether they wanted it or not. Can you point to a single socialist policy of Obama?

That John Derbyshire quote bugs me.

There aren’t any uncontested “true facts” of human nature. There haven’t ever been any “real, incontrovertible results from the human sciences.” I’m not even sure I believe that there are “universal characteristics” of human nature.

Actually, if you believe in evolution, then “human nature” becomes a fleeting thing. The human species doesn’t exist as such, merely individuals that we currently refer to as humans that change from one generation to the next. I’m not saying I agree with this, but if you are going to be a evolutionist and a scientist, you really ought to be consistent and not feel like you need to use your anti-species scientism to defend a particular species. The whole situation seems obscenely bizarre to me.

On top of everything else, the reports of the absolute victory of nature over nurture have been strongly exaggerated. Look at epigenetics, for example. The bleeding edge of genetics recognizes a continual feedback of nurture.

One last thought. The human sciences themselves, it seems to me, have bought into the “soft totalitarianism of ‘diversity’ and ‘multiculturalism’” and I would agree that it has been taken too far.

Dan, while I don’t care for the Derbyshire essay I’m not quite sure I find your attack on “human nature” much better. Certainly one can talk about human nature without being an essentialist about human nature. Can’t one? It seems you are equating the two.

Yet even if species aren’t an essential structure (as I think biology has demonstrated) I don’t think that entails we can’t say there are facts about what ducks are like.

It seems to me you are simply raising a false dichotomy. There simply doesn’t need to be essentialism for there to be factual claims about some collection.

To the second issue I don’t think nature over nurture was exaggerated. The article said 50% which isn’t really exaggerating. Also I think one has to be very careful about epigenetics, the effects of which often are exaggerated quite a bit. Further where to draw the line between what is epigenetics and environment is blurry at best. We wouldn’t want to say, for instance, that a mother’s heroin use during pregnancy is an example of epigenetics. This is not a small matter in biology and there are many microbiologists who get quite upset at how the concept of epigenetics is used. At best it is often hyperexaggerated even if I think getting rid of the category entirely is unwarranted.

As to the human sciences, while I’m been a frequent critic of sociology and anthropology as being far too often muddled and a clearing house of bad science, the fact is there’s a lot of good science in them as well. To say that the disciplines as a whole have “bought into the soft totalitarianism of diversity and multiculturalism” seems hard to buy. Individuals may have. But I have a hard time making sense of exactly what you are even claiming by those statements let along thinking they have much scientific meaning.

Clark,

Regarding real world Obama policies: As Mrs. Obama said, “he hasn’t done anything yet”. Obama talks like a long view socialist. No revolution over night, but long term incremental changes to achieve socialist ends. That makes him unusually pragmatic for a left winger, and also more likely to be successful. I have no doubt that were the political ground work there he would support constitutional amendments (as he said) along the lines of the “what the goverment must do for you” instead of “what the government can’t do to you”.

Regarding Sarah Palin and Alaskan oil revenues. There is a fundamental difference – the oil in Alaska is not in private hands nor on private lands. It is public land. Paying state residents a portion of royalties collected from oil extraction from public land is not wealth redistribution any more than stock dividends are. The oil has economic value prior to the cost of extracting it. As long as those royalties do not exceed the economic (market) value of the unextracted oil, no wealth is changing hands by virtue of such royalties. It is simply a transformation of the implied assets of every Alaska resident to a more liquid (pun intended) form.

Regarding Bush’s economic policies. I think it is a bit of a stretch to imply that there is any philosophical coherence to Bush’s fiscal, monetary, and economic policies any more than there was to Richard Nixon’s or Gerald Ford’s. If anything they executed a watered version of what left-liberals would have done in the same situation. Left-liberals are instinctively in favor of easy money, and Keynesian style fiscal intervention. Greenspan gave us the former, and now Paulson the latter. Bush approved domestic spending increases that ought to make any Democrat green with envy.

In the long run the real cost of government is what it spends. Reducing taxes without reducing spending to compensate is a useful short term expedient for a recession, but a disastrous long term preference. Domestic non-defense spending has skyrocketed during the Bush administration. That is far from conservative. You can’t have a healthy economy in the long run without sound money and a tight fiscal policy. The number one problem with Obama is that he represents more of a continuation and expansion of the Bush/Greenspan economic regime than a repudiation of it. You can borrow, print, and spend your way out of short term economic difficulties, but not out of long term problems.

One more thing. The failure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac does not represent some sort of failure of the free market. They were quasi-governmental, privatize the gains, socialize the losses style institutions from the beginning.

The weakness of both was as GSEs they were created for a specific purpose – to further government housing policy, no matter how risky or unprofitable in the long run. That government sponsorship amounted to an implicit government guarantee of their obligations that gave them a short run advantage over their private competition – they could borrow at lower rates. Do you suppose the government charged them a premium for such an open ended insurance policy? No. Ultimately the story of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is nothing more than back loaded public expense for front loaded public policy. Socialism at its finest.

Mark, I think you are truly confused on terminology. Socialism != Wealth Redistribution. Socialism = Ownership by Government on behalf of the people. Therefore the question of wealth redistribution, characteristic of modern liberalism is technically orthagonal to the question of socialism or having the means of production owned by the people. Alaska has means of production partially owned by the public. The fact it is on public lands and the idea that the public therefore owns it is by definition socialism.

I’ll leave it at that.

Regarding the failure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac note I never said what caused their failure. I merely point out that taking them over is a socialist act. Which by definition it is.

As to Obama, while I’m skeptical of his since he hasn’t done anything yet, he has clearly signaled that he intends to balance the budget. He reportedly made a promise to blue dog Democrats that any spending increase will be met with a corresponding cut in spending or increase in revenue. That’s a major step that most Republicans simply won’t take. While he almost certainly is a liberal (although I see no evidence of being a socialist) I am hoping he’ll at least be an economic conservative. Something neither Bush nor the Republican congress were.

Clark,

That is the predominant narrow definition. I am using a broad definition, one like this (from) Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary:

Socialism, n. [Cf. F. socialisme.] A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor. In popular usage, the term is often employed to indicate any lawless, revolutionary social scheme. See Communism, Fourierism, Saint-Simonianism, forms of socialism.

[Socialism] was first applied in England to Owen’s theory of social reconstruction, and in France to those also of St. Simon and Fourier . . . The word, however, is used with a great variety of meaning, . . . even by economists and learned critics. The general tendency is to regard as socialistic any interference undertaken by society on behalf of the poor, . . . radical social reform which disturbs the present system of private property . . . The tendency of the present socialism is more and more to ally itself with the most advanced democracy. –Encyc. Brit.

We certainly want a true history of socialism, meaning by that a history of every systematic attempt to provide a new social existence for the mass of the workers. –F. Harrison.

A few other things:

1. Economic factors are traditionally divided in to land, labor, and capital. The “means of production” refers to a subset of “capital”, typically factories, not land. Nonetheless, if private investors wanted to buy rather than lease oil containing properties at fair market value, I don’t think there would be much to complain about.

2. As long as we are being picky about terminology, there is little that is economically liberal about contemporary left-”liberalism”. Everywhere else in the world, “economic liberalism” refers to economic libertarianism. Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher are both considered economic liberals.

3. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were bankrupt government sponsored enterprises. The government always “takes over” bankrupt organizations – it is just a question of timing and extent. If you are a creditor who is not getting paid, you can file a petition for involuntary bankruptcy. Chapter 7 means the government takes over the economic interests (the “estate”) of an entity and liquidates them. Chapter 11 means that every significant business decision (down to the level of paying the electric bill) is subject to approval by a federal judge.

The real act of socialism here is the government sponsorship of these entities in the first place. There is nothing particularly socialist about putting such entities into receivership when they are on the verge of bankruptcy. Retaining direct control indefinitely would be, of course.

4. As far as Obama’a true fiscal and monetary instincts, we shall know soon enough. It is worth mentioning that the U.S. was recently rated as having the most progressive tax system in the industrialized world, significantly more progressive than most European countries. High income individuals are already taxed at such levels that further taxation is likely to be subject to the law of diminishing returns. Obama has stated that in a tradeoff between greater economic equality and higher government revenue, he prefers greater economic equality. Either way, the only way to raise sufficient revenue for a European style welfare state is to significantly raise taxes on everybody, not just the “wealthy”.

Mark, the US has some weird rules about natural resources. You can obtain drilling rights whether you own the land or not. (Much to the anger of many farmers I’ve met in Wyoming and Montana with oil rigs on their land against their wishes) So that’s somewhat misleading. That Alaska choses not to allow that sort of arrangement but instead has ownership by the people is, in my mind socialism. (In the narrow sense – I find the broad sense rather misleading even though it’s been heavily used the last few weeks) The point being that this isn’t just a simple leasing arrangement.

Note, if Alaska wants it that way that’s fine. But I doubt you’ll see the same arrangement here in Utah with the oil shale, for example.

Fannie May and Freddie Mac were really independent companies although they had a government mandate. While I think there are very valid criticisms to make of them in that role I don’t think I could see their former role as socialist. Nor would I call the current arrangement a normal bankruptcy. So to say it’s not a government takeover it’s just a normal bankruptcy seems disingenuous at best.

US corporate taxes and regulation are actually a bit of a mix compared to Europe. In some places we do much better and in other places not so good. Especially since Sarbanes Oxely the pendulum was tipping the other way. There’s a lot to gripe about here. My own personal gripe is the way under Bush the depreciation of equipment was changed. Thereby increasing taxes significantly on small businesses.

To add, I am worried that Obama will show what you call socialist and what I call mildly redistributivist tendencies. My hope is that he will be so occupied with the economic collapse, the budget deficit, several wars, Russia, Israel, Iran etc. that he won’t risk the political capital to do much. Plus I think he learned from Clinton and recognizes that this election was more about moderates than liberals.

I might be wrong in this.

I do think he’ll increase some spending. But some things, such as infrastructure, R&D, drug testing, food testing, etc., have long been underfunded.

Clark,

My first instinct would definitely be to let both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac go into chapter 7. However, there is certainly something to be said for avoiding the financial turmoil that would cause.

I am also not particularly convinced that TARP is necessary nor that it is a good idea. The Fed should just loan money as necessary to help the solvent institutions survive, and the insolvent (i.e. technically bankrupt) ones should be allowed to fail.

On the subject of taxes, corporate taxation is just a convenient way to collect taxes on the income due to corporate shareholders. Other than some interesting timing issues, we could just as easily have a corporate tax rate of zero and increase the capital gains / qualified dividend tax rates to compensate:

Investors establish C corporation. Corporation earns $100 after expenses. Pays $39 in corporate income taxes to federal government. Pays the remaining $61 in qualified dividends. Investors pay $15 (15% federal + ~10% state) in personal income and sales taxes on those dividends. Net return to investors (largely independent of tax bracket) for $100 of corporate earnings is $46. Net return to the government for $100 of corporate earnings is $54. One might as well have a 54% tax rate to begin with.

Any taxation system where the government takes in 54% of net corporate earnings is economically equivalent to government ownership of 54% of each corporation in the form of non-voting stock. That sounds pretty socialistic to me. And why does the government need voting rights anyway? As long as the rules apply across the board, they can regulate any industry ad libitum.

Regarding Alaska – the state doesn’t have any choice in the matter. The vast majority of the land in Alaska is owned by the federal government. Same with Utah and most other western states.

I think it would be an excellent idea to transfer nearly all federal lands to the states, and for the state to sell a healthy portion of that to private owners. Maintaining ownership of land you could be collecting property taxes on is relatively pointless. Payment-in-lieu-of-taxation (<a href=”http://www.doi.gov/pilt/
PILT) is just another name for “taxation in lieu of taxation”.

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