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		<title>By: Yates</title>
		<link>http://www.libertypages.com/cgw/2009/06/11/anti-science-in-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-2827</link>
		<dc:creator>Yates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The underlying keyword in all this is &quot;politics&quot;. The Republicans use science (or anti-science) when it&#039;s beneficial, and so do the Democrats. Too bad it&#039;s all for political gain. (but if theres one thing this election has taught us, it&#039;s that maybe we don&#039;t need science or anti-science causes such as &quot;global warming&quot;, &quot;abortion&quot;, &quot;evolution&quot;, or &quot;creationism&quot; as political tools...just vague verbs - which is no less annoying than ignorant anti-science assumptions)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The underlying keyword in all this is &#8220;politics&#8221;. The Republicans use science (or anti-science) when it&#8217;s beneficial, and so do the Democrats. Too bad it&#8217;s all for political gain. (but if theres one thing this election has taught us, it&#8217;s that maybe we don&#8217;t need science or anti-science causes such as &#8220;global warming&#8221;, &#8220;abortion&#8221;, &#8220;evolution&#8221;, or &#8220;creationism&#8221; as political tools&#8230;just vague verbs &#8211; which is no less annoying than ignorant anti-science assumptions)</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark,

I suppose I need a better definition of what you mean when you say &quot;anti-science.&quot; In the context of anti-vaccination, for example, do you mean (a) ignoring scientific information, (b) using a rhetoric of objectivity to make claims based on cherry-picked evidence, (c) arguing that medical science is significantly flawed, ideological, conspiring, dehumanizing, etc., or (d) all of the above? Only (c) strikes me as anti-science and even then these arguments could be made in a pro-scientific way (to improve science). The first is simply being unscientific and the second is being pseudo-scientific.

I suppose another way one might be called anti-scientific in the political realm is if they are in favor of more modest scientific funding. Even here, though, this is not necessary an issue of being anti-science; sometimes scientists have a problem with entitlement and they think that any politician who doesn&#039;t want to load them with barrels of unaccountable dollars to do whatever they want must be anti-scientific.

I guess I&#039;m also wondering what exactly you&#039;re referring to concerning anti-vaccination. Yes, many people make outlandish and unsupported claims about mercury (still not sure if this anti-scientific, and I wonder if you are referring to actual politicians/pundits or simply liberal people). But there ARE legitimate concerns about mercury as well as other vaccination issues which are largely ignored in the medical community (see Bob Sears&#039; blog: http://www.askdrsears.com/thevaccinebook/). Is voicing these concerns anti-scientific? Moreover, I don&#039;t see how a religious or ethical avoidance of immunization must be anti-scientific. Not that you&#039;re saying this, but I just want to clarify that there is nothing inherently anti-scientific about anti-immunization. And, therefore, I also wonder whether the anti-immunization you are bemoaning is in fact anti-scientific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark,</p>
<p>I suppose I need a better definition of what you mean when you say &#8220;anti-science.&#8221; In the context of anti-vaccination, for example, do you mean (a) ignoring scientific information, (b) using a rhetoric of objectivity to make claims based on cherry-picked evidence, (c) arguing that medical science is significantly flawed, ideological, conspiring, dehumanizing, etc., or (d) all of the above? Only (c) strikes me as anti-science and even then these arguments could be made in a pro-scientific way (to improve science). The first is simply being unscientific and the second is being pseudo-scientific.</p>
<p>I suppose another way one might be called anti-scientific in the political realm is if they are in favor of more modest scientific funding. Even here, though, this is not necessary an issue of being anti-science; sometimes scientists have a problem with entitlement and they think that any politician who doesn&#8217;t want to load them with barrels of unaccountable dollars to do whatever they want must be anti-scientific.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m also wondering what exactly you&#8217;re referring to concerning anti-vaccination. Yes, many people make outlandish and unsupported claims about mercury (still not sure if this anti-scientific, and I wonder if you are referring to actual politicians/pundits or simply liberal people). But there ARE legitimate concerns about mercury as well as other vaccination issues which are largely ignored in the medical community (see Bob Sears&#8217; blog: <a href="http://www.askdrsears.com/thevaccinebook/" rel="nofollow">http://www.askdrsears.com/thevaccinebook/</a>). Is voicing these concerns anti-scientific? Moreover, I don&#8217;t see how a religious or ethical avoidance of immunization must be anti-scientific. Not that you&#8217;re saying this, but I just want to clarify that there is nothing inherently anti-scientific about anti-immunization. And, therefore, I also wonder whether the anti-immunization you are bemoaning is in fact anti-scientific.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Pratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What John said.  To some, both scientific and pseudo-scientific ideas are just part of the aresenal used to achieve their goals, without consideration of the actual merits of the ideas themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What John said.  To some, both scientific and pseudo-scientific ideas are just part of the aresenal used to achieve their goals, without consideration of the actual merits of the ideas themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One area of anti-science in the extreme left is the attacks on GM crops that have kept one of the most promising methods of feeding places like Africa off the table in Europe. Not that there are not legitimate scientific concerns (e.g., gene flow), but much of the rhetoric is just anti-science (Frankenfoods) and just not rationally based.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One area of anti-science in the extreme left is the attacks on GM crops that have kept one of the most promising methods of feeding places like Africa off the table in Europe. Not that there are not legitimate scientific concerns (e.g., gene flow), but much of the rhetoric is just anti-science (Frankenfoods) and just not rationally based.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No idea.  

Most of the rhetoric seems heated and superficial.  I do like that despite being part of the ivy league crowd she has a lot of criminal experience as both a judge and prosecutor.  I think the court needs diversity but everyone merely focuses in on racial diversity ignoring judicial diversity.  (I think, for instance, we need someone from outside the Harvard/Yale corridor)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No idea.  </p>
<p>Most of the rhetoric seems heated and superficial.  I do like that despite being part of the ivy league crowd she has a lot of criminal experience as both a judge and prosecutor.  I think the court needs diversity but everyone merely focuses in on racial diversity ignoring judicial diversity.  (I think, for instance, we need someone from outside the Harvard/Yale corridor)</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark, any thoughts on Sotomayor?  A pro- or anti-science appointment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark, any thoughts on Sotomayor?  A pro- or anti-science appointment?</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At a crude level, the left supports pseudo-science that&#039;s used to sue and control businesses, and the right supports pseudo-science that shields businesses.  One side wants to believe that each industry is to blame for everything under the sun that ails us, and the other side wants to believe that there is no possible way that any industry could be responsible for any harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At a crude level, the left supports pseudo-science that&#8217;s used to sue and control businesses, and the right supports pseudo-science that shields businesses.  One side wants to believe that each industry is to blame for everything under the sun that ails us, and the other side wants to believe that there is no possible way that any industry could be responsible for any harm.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dorfman</title>
		<link>http://www.libertypages.com/cgw/2009/06/11/anti-science-in-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-2819</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dorfman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t realized that there was a liberal/conservative dimension to the anti-vaccination thing.  Are there any liberal politicians taking up the cause?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t realized that there was a liberal/conservative dimension to the anti-vaccination thing.  Are there any liberal politicians taking up the cause?</p>
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