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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.libertypages.com/cgw/2009/06/12/god-dasein-and-omniscience/comment-page-1/#comment-2846</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yeah.  I&#039;ve been pretty curious about it.  He&#039;s discussed it a lot at Blogginheads TV which he runs.  It&#039;s one of the main podcasts I regularly listen to.  Arguably one of the best on the net.  (It&#039;s available as a podcast with no video from iTunes which is how I listen to it while at work)  There was a really interesting discussion between him and Tyler Cowen of Marginal Revolution on it a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2009/06/my-bloggingheads-with-robert-wright.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;while back&lt;/a&gt;.

I think there&#039;s something to be said for the basic thesis, although it seems quite vague.  The idea that religions with a cosmopolitan component necessarily emphasize elements about their religion that are more tolerant.  That said I think Cowen raises a lot of problems in that Wright appears to focus primarily on the Judeo-Christian tradition whereas I think his thesis needs a much broader cross-section of religions.  So there are some definitely problems, but it&#039;s interesting to think about.

If you haven&#039;t listened to the Cowan exchange do.  (Although Cowan sounds like Joe Friday doing economics and philosophy)  I found the question about how Wright&#039;s theory deals with Unitarianism and related liberal Protestant movements quite interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yeah.  I&#8217;ve been pretty curious about it.  He&#8217;s discussed it a lot at Blogginheads TV which he runs.  It&#8217;s one of the main podcasts I regularly listen to.  Arguably one of the best on the net.  (It&#8217;s available as a podcast with no video from iTunes which is how I listen to it while at work)  There was a really interesting discussion between him and Tyler Cowen of Marginal Revolution on it a <a href="http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2009/06/my-bloggingheads-with-robert-wright.html" rel="nofollow">while back</a>.</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s something to be said for the basic thesis, although it seems quite vague.  The idea that religions with a cosmopolitan component necessarily emphasize elements about their religion that are more tolerant.  That said I think Cowen raises a lot of problems in that Wright appears to focus primarily on the Judeo-Christian tradition whereas I think his thesis needs a much broader cross-section of religions.  So there are some definitely problems, but it&#8217;s interesting to think about.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t listened to the Cowan exchange do.  (Although Cowan sounds like Joe Friday doing economics and philosophy)  I found the question about how Wright&#8217;s theory deals with Unitarianism and related liberal Protestant movements quite interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dorfman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Dorfman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excerpt from the book has been published &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2009/06/Where-Did-Heaven-Come-From.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excerpt from the book has been published <a href="http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2009/06/Where-Did-Heaven-Come-From.aspx" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dorfman</title>
		<link>http://www.libertypages.com/cgw/2009/06/12/god-dasein-and-omniscience/comment-page-1/#comment-2844</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dorfman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, the book is called &quot;The Evolution of God&quot; by Steven Wright.

Does this link work for you?  http://www.salon.com/env/atoms_eden/2009/06/24/evolution_of_god/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, the book is called &#8220;The Evolution of God&#8221; by Steven Wright.</p>
<p>Does this link work for you?  <a href="http://www.salon.com/env/atoms_eden/2009/06/24/evolution_of_god/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/env/atoms_eden/2009/06/24/evolution_of_god/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like you need a subscription to see that link.  What&#039;s the name of the book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like you need a subscription to see that link.  What&#8217;s the name of the book?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dorfman</title>
		<link>http://www.libertypages.com/cgw/2009/06/12/god-dasein-and-omniscience/comment-page-1/#comment-2841</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dorfman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t sure where to put this, so I&#039;ll ask it here-- I suppose it&#039;s related, indirectly, to the conversation above.

Clark, I&#039;d be interested in your thoughts on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/env/atoms_eden/2009/06/24/evolution_of_god/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this.&lt;/a&gt;  I haven&#039;t read the book, but it sounds fascinating (and provocative).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t sure where to put this, so I&#8217;ll ask it here&#8211; I suppose it&#8217;s related, indirectly, to the conversation above.</p>
<p>Clark, I&#8217;d be interested in your thoughts on <a href="http://www.salon.com/env/atoms_eden/2009/06/24/evolution_of_god/" rel="nofollow">this.</a>  I haven&#8217;t read the book, but it sounds fascinating (and provocative).</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I think the basic Mormon stance is that God is a Dasein.  He&#039;s not Other the way the traditional theology takes him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I think the basic Mormon stance is that God is a Dasein.  He&#8217;s not Other the way the traditional theology takes him.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dorfman</title>
		<link>http://www.libertypages.com/cgw/2009/06/12/god-dasein-and-omniscience/comment-page-1/#comment-2829</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dorfman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating, Clark-- but I am having a bit of trouble following the argument.

&lt;b&gt;Clark:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;I think Heidegger argues persuasively that this sort of knowledge is only possible against a background of already engaged in practices. Further that this present-at-hand knowledge is possible only against the breakdown of such practices.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This is true, as far as human experience goes-- but can we generalize from there to some kind of divine epistemology/phenomenology?  Are there theological reasons that keep you from appealing to alterity, saying something like &quot;Of course, all bets are off when it comes to Mr. Big, because divine knowledge is of a completely different order than human knowledge&quot;?

I definitely agree that classic omniscience and omnipotence are non-sensical propositions.  But then again, I&#039;m the token atheist, so I&#039;d have to say that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating, Clark&#8211; but I am having a bit of trouble following the argument.</p>
<p><b>Clark:</b><i>&#8220;I think Heidegger argues persuasively that this sort of knowledge is only possible against a background of already engaged in practices. Further that this present-at-hand knowledge is possible only against the breakdown of such practices.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This is true, as far as human experience goes&#8211; but can we generalize from there to some kind of divine epistemology/phenomenology?  Are there theological reasons that keep you from appealing to alterity, saying something like &#8220;Of course, all bets are off when it comes to Mr. Big, because divine knowledge is of a completely different order than human knowledge&#8221;?</p>
<p>I definitely agree that classic omniscience and omnipotence are non-sensical propositions.  But then again, I&#8217;m the token atheist, so I&#8217;d have to say that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Heidegger&#039;s claim about theoretic knowledge is correct. The problem is that for theological absolutists, God is the exception to all rules, and very little can be said about him on a rational (as opposed to experiential) basis beyond (at best) the axioms of classical theism.

The way I see it, however, Heidigger&#039;s claim pertaining to theoretic knowledge applies to divine society just as well as it does to the one here, and for the same reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Heidegger&#8217;s claim about theoretic knowledge is correct. The problem is that for theological absolutists, God is the exception to all rules, and very little can be said about him on a rational (as opposed to experiential) basis beyond (at best) the axioms of classical theism.</p>
<p>The way I see it, however, Heidigger&#8217;s claim pertaining to theoretic knowledge applies to divine society just as well as it does to the one here, and for the same reasons.</p>
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